Note 4 variants have different Camera Sensor!

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chloekho

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Blurry note 4 camera?

Hi, i just got a note 4 last week. I've been realizing that whenever i on the camera, when i try to take a photo, the photo seems pixelated and blurry. I do not know whether it is just me or the camera is defective. I uploaded the photo down below and hope you guys can leave me some of your comments. Thank you!
 

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note 4 N910c with sony cam

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remove the two plastic sheets on the camera lens. scrape it with your fingernail.
 
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That might be true for some versions but not all have that.. I've exynos based Note 4 N910C and it got IMx240
 
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with my note r n910f i found the same problem i have to but my finger at the screen to fix the blurry before shot
 
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chloekho said:
Hi, i just got a note 4 last week. I've been realizing that whenever i on the camera, when i try to take a photo, the photo seems pixelated and blurry. I do not know whether it is just me or the camera is defective. I uploaded the photo down below and hope you guys can leave me some of your comments. Thank you!
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It's your eyes. That photo is fine.
 
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Hi All:

I have the N910C with Sony sensor (rear one) ............ I think the main difference is in Sony sensor the highest ISO is only limited to 800, where in Samsung sensor the highest ISO is 2000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know how bad or good is that in real life experience, and I don't understand Samsung games regarding smartphones aspects !!!

There is an Iranian web site (Toranji) compared the two camera sensors & the result was close, but colors clearance was better in Samsung sensor (Exynos).

this is a link to the site
http://toranji.ir/camera-comparison-between-galaxy-note-4-snapdragon-vs-galaxy-note-4-exynos/

Even if you don't understand Persian Language there is a number of two identical images the upper one by Exynos variant with Samsung sensor and the down one is by Snapdragon variant with Sony sensor, you can compare your self by clicking on images to see it in real size & quality.
 
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This is interesting and I'd like to get the bottom of this.

Looking at pictures and some videos how N4 camera works, live HDR, S5's widescreen pixel resolution etc., the Note 4 seem to perform very similarly to the S5 in terms of white balance, saturation and exposure, results are only a little sharper during the daylight, more so in HDR and during the night. But if either or both N4 versions have an IMX240, then Sony has a 16:9 sensor that perform 95% like a Samsung ISOCELL and that's a little harder to believe with such different technologies.

Of course Sony can always make an ISOCELL sensor for Samsung as they make a PDAF-type for Apple, but then I'd have to ask why, Samsung comfortably supplied the bigger launch of the S5 with enough ISOCELL units so numbers cannot be the problem. Some say OIS can be, but if Sony has an exact same size sensor as S5 ISOCELL, I don't see an issue packing ISOCELL sensors into an OIS camera unit. BTW I like ISOCELL cause it's very fast and reliable, almost always perfect WB which is always an issue with Sony sensors, 2-6 out of 10 shots come out with improper white balance either on the colder or on the yellower side. Apple phones are the only ones getting it almost always right.

IMX240 equipped sensors with the proper ISP however can do up to 32s shutter speeds, and longer shutter options are a huge missing option for Samsung devices, usually SW capped at 1/15s. That's not only a problem cause you either have to use the multi-shot stability mode or higher ISO for VERY noisy results, but with optical image stabilization this capping is totally unnecessary, one could hold the phone for up to half a second with OIS and not get a shaky result. So far Note 4 shots are impressive during daytime and improved during the night, but I don't see any longer shutter samples or options. That is just silly from Sammy at this point in mobile photography. EVERYTHING is there for great night shots except for some reason Samsung's willingness to either allow longer shutter speed options for the automatic mode, or provide it for manual mode. This lack of judgement makes Samsung phones inferior in night comparison to counterparts that happily go for long shutters. The Oppo Find 7 makes great night shots with a Sony IMX sensor.
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Hi sir,

it is obvious you know much about sensors..

i have note 4 SD version, camera is ok, however, i have annoying problem, when i move the phone the camera gets choppy ( when move to the left) it gives that little lag or shake which appears in recorded videos later, is that means OIS is faulty? if it is the case, would i have to change the camera,

thanks
 
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    BoneXDA
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    This is interesting and I'd like to get the bottom of this.

    Looking at pictures and some videos how N4 camera works, live HDR, S5's widescreen pixel resolution etc., the Note 4 seem to perform very similarly to the S5 in terms of white balance, saturation and exposure, results are only a little sharper during the daylight, more so in HDR and during the night. But if either or both N4 versions have an IMX240, then Sony has a 16:9 sensor that perform 95% like a Samsung ISOCELL and that's a little harder to believe with such different technologies.

    Of course Sony can always make an ISOCELL sensor for Samsung as they make a PDAF-type for Apple, but then I'd have to ask why, Samsung comfortably supplied the bigger launch of the S5 with enough ISOCELL units so numbers cannot be the problem. Some say OIS can be, but if Sony has an exact same size sensor as S5 ISOCELL, I don't see an issue packing ISOCELL sensors into an OIS camera unit. BTW I like ISOCELL cause it's very fast and reliable, almost always perfect WB which is always an issue with Sony sensors, 2-6 out of 10 shots come out with improper white balance either on the colder or on the yellower side. Apple phones are the only ones getting it almost always right.

    IMX240 equipped sensors with the proper ISP however can do up to 32s shutter speeds, and longer shutter options are a huge missing option for Samsung devices, usually SW capped at 1/15s. That's not only a problem cause you either have to use the multi-shot stability mode or higher ISO for VERY noisy results, but with optical image stabilization this capping is totally unnecessary, one could hold the phone for up to half a second with OIS and not get a shaky result. So far Note 4 shots are impressive during daytime and improved during the night, but I don't see any longer shutter samples or options. That is just silly from Sammy at this point in mobile photography. EVERYTHING is there for great night shots except for some reason Samsung's willingness to either allow longer shutter speed options for the automatic mode, or provide it for manual mode. This lack of judgement makes Samsung phones inferior in night comparison to counterparts that happily go for long shutters. The Oppo Find 7 makes great night shots with a Sony IMX sensor.
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    BoneXDA
    BoneXDA
    The Sony sensor has a pretty stellar picture quality during daylight. Very high amount of details, some minimal noise remaining points to low noise reduction (which is good), pictures can be up to 12MB large (very nice), there is a little extra sharpness and satuation added though. Focus is as fast if not faster than the S5, so I'm thinking the IMX240 has phase-detection autofocus, the G3 is still faster with laser auto-focus. HDR is very fast and not so different to the S5 but has more detail (S5 HDR shots lost a lot of details). HDR video is good. 4k video is great. OIS works pretty well.

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    Night shots improved due to 1) the sensor handles higher ISO better, 2) shutter speed now can go up to 1/8s compared to 1/15 before, but with OIS we could use 1/5, 1/3, 1/2, 1s, 2s... 32s shutter. For Chrissakes Samsung, OnePlus and Oppo do it, so do $150 Lumias. Night results however are okay. I just think manual control would allow so much better results. I mean c'mon!

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    BarryH_GEG
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    Here's GSMArena's review of the S-805 Note 4's camera. It's ISOCELL with phase detection so everyone can relax their sphincter.

    Finally, a real camera evaluation. GSMArena's posted their review of the Note 4 ( http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_4-review-1147.php ). They and Anandtech both due ridged objective testing which they subject all the devices they test to equally. So the results can be compared across devices. I personally put little value in sites that basically offer their opinion which, so far, all that's been posted represent. There are some pro and semi-pro photographers on XDA whose opinions I value but most people here posting pics of their dog and critiquing it aren't really reliable references. And people owning each brand of smartphone swear their brand's camera(s) are the best. And let's face it, if you search the Internet hard enough you can find substantiation for just about any point you're trying to make. That's why objective testing is so important - you can't fight facts and controlled examples.

    Here are some excerpts from GSMArena's testing of the S-805 version of the Note 4's camera...
    Focusing has been improved this year with the inclusion of phase detection pixels on the sensor. It's the same technology that premiered on the Samsung Galaxy S5 but it's even faster this time around. The LG G3 and the Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus offer a similar hybrid auto focus systems combining the traditional contrast detect auto focus with phase detect.

    The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 takes excellent pictures. The higher megapixel count is noticeable and we welcome the wider aspect of the images as both allow a bigger, better photo. Detail is superb, especially in the center of the photo but still doesn't degrade too much towards the far edges.

    Images came out tack sharp across the frame and focusing was spot on. We noticed that the Galaxy Note 4 was very fast to lock on and even surpassed the Samsung Galaxy S5 on every occasion.

    Colors aren't as punchy as those of the Galaxy S5 but are still vibrant. The white balance was spot on, finding a great middle ground between cold and warm. Scenes are well exposed and we like the dynamic range from the 16MP camera - the shadow and highlight areas of the image are well exposed.

    There is some noise visible in the shadows and in solid colors (such as in the sky) but it's kept reasonably under control.

    The autofocus when capturing close up (macro) images fares extremely well. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 can get very close to its subject (around 6cm) and capture detailed images. There is also a reasonable separation from the object and the background leading to a nice blurred effect (bokeh).

    HDR samples aim to expose the entire frame better by capturing a series of shots at different exposures and matching them for the final result. We like the HDR effect on the Galaxy Note 4 - it gets a lot of detail back into the shadows but also improves upon the highlights

    Overall, we can say that the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 carries one of the most capable cameras you can find on a smartphone. The quality is very high, detail is aplenty and things are always in focus and always sharp. The large resolution is welcome and the 16:9 makes much more sense than 4:3 (or any other ratio for that matter) on a 16:9 device.​
    Versus Note 3

    Looking at the samples in good light it's clear the Galaxy Note 4 has the upper hand. It manages to squeeze a little bit more detail compared to its predecessor. However the Galaxy Note 3 doesn't lag too far behind. Truth be told, there is more noise in the Galaxy Note 3 image, especially in the sky. The noise in the Galaxy Note 4 image is better controlled and finer.

    In scenes with more fine detail the 16MP snapper of the Galaxy Note 4 is clearly superior. The textures on the wall of the building below indicate just that. Not only that, but it clearly has a better dynamic range, as the highlights on the left are not blown as on the right, while keeping nearly the same exposure of the shadows.​
    Versus SGS5

    When it comes to low light we pit the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 against the Samsung Galaxy S5. Both have 16MP ISOCELL cameras with identical f/2.2 apertures so the amount of light hitting the sensor should be about the same. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 has the added bonus of optical image stabilization, which should allow it to snap photos at lower shutter speeds than the S5.

    The images below are shot at ISO 500 (automatic ISO) and with a shutter speed of 1/10s. As you can see the Samsung Galaxy S5 has a blurrier image while the Galaxy Note 4 keeps things a little more sharp at the same shutter speed. All four images were captured handheld.​

    Here's GSMArena's six device camera shoot out test. In order of performance:
    1. Lumia 1020
    2. SGS5
    3. LG G3
    4. Oppo Find 7)
    5. Xperia Z2 [Z3 has the same camera]
    6. iP5s
    They left out the HTC M8 because its 4MP camera doomed it from the beginning.

    http://www.gsmarena.com/camera_shootout-review-1104p8.php
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    BoneXDA
    BoneXDA
    The Note 4, Snapdragon version, has a Sony sensor. More to come!
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    Andrewtst
    Andrewtst
    Mine is N910C which is Exynos edition. I just check mine, it is different.

    So i believe different camera module is use.

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    Here some night shoot just taken. All auto mode. I am impress with the result. :)

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